On Sunday, February 23, 2010, MistressBrazen Bondar gave a talk entitled, "Improbable, Implausible, Impossible - Creating Consistency and Coherence In Long Term Role Play" at the Role Play Nexus, followed by open discussion.
Attending were:
CoolLuke Sands
Cursa Charisma
Joan Vhargon
Mikie Rhiadra
MistressBrazen Bondar
Neeko Zimerman
Reiko Soyinka
Tabitha Diesel
Thaiis Thei
(transcript begins; for unknown reasons, every chat block has a question mark appended by SL)
[2010-02-21 18:10:24] Cursa Charisma: Welcome everyone to the Role Play Nexus?
[2010-02-21 18:11:05] Cursa Charisma: Today, we will have a talk by MistressBrazen Bondar entitled, "Improbable, Implausible, Impossible - Creating Consistency and Coherence In Long Term Role Play"?
[2010-02-21 18:11:18] Cursa Charisma: As always, a transcript will be made of the discussion?
[2010-02-21 18:11:33] Cursa Charisma: It will be available here, and on the blog kept by Medea Warwillow?
[2010-02-21 18:11:47] Cursa Charisma: Without further ado, let us welcome Brazen!?
[2010-02-21 18:11:50] Cursa Charisma applauds?
[2010-02-21 18:12:31] MistressBrazen Bondar: Thanks Cursa. And thanks to those of you who are here. I realize the hour is late, but I hope you enjoy the remarks?
[2010-02-21 18:12:52] MistressBrazen Bondar: As has been discussed here repeatedly there are many different kinds of role play, both as to duration and objective. I'd like to address my comments today to the subject of long term role play. They are in no way directed towards spontaneous or casual role play.?
[2010-02-21 18:13:19] MistressBrazen Bondar: And while any one can participate in a storyline that is long term, my comments are mostly directed towards the core players in a particular environment, that is to say the nugget of regular and reliable players that do the lion's share of role play in the designated environment.?
[2010-02-21 18:13:49] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 18:13:56] MistressBrazen Bondar: When I say long term role play I am actually referring to two different situations: 1) the classic long term meaning the storyline develops over a period of weeks or months, perhaps even years versus casual role play that is spontaneous or short term story lines that begin and end in one day or evening;?
[2010-02-21 18:14:24] MistressBrazen Bondar: and 2) story lines that need several days or perhaps a week to play out.?
[2010-02-21 18:14:53] MistressBrazen Bondar: There seems to be a tendency from what I can observe for core players to truncate long term role play in ways that end up damaging the integrity of the storyline. For example, an event that should take place over the course of three or four days is forced to end in a single role play session with an ending that is often either implausible or improbable and sometimes down right impossible.?
[2010-02-21 18:15:16] Cursa Charisma grins?
[2010-02-21 18:15:44] MistressBrazen Bondar: I see two reasons for the truncation.?
[2010-02-21 18:16:04] MistressBrazen Bondar: Whoever is directing the story is afraid that the storyline will not sustain the interest of the players over multiple sessions and so brings about a conclusion that is inconsistent with the storyline just to force an ending.?
[2010-02-21 18:16:28] MistressBrazen Bondar: There also seems to be a misconception that role play should be handled in the same way that DJ sessions are, a two hour run and then finish at all costs.?
[2010-02-21 18:17:07] MistressBrazen Bondar: The opposite danger is that the role play drifts off into unresolved storylines that never bring completion. This occurs mainly when there has been a failure to fully think through an role play scenario to its natural conclusion.?
[2010-02-21 18:17:49] MistressBrazen Bondar: Let me give an example of the latter situation?
[2010-02-21 18:17:57] Cursa Charisma listens?
[2010-02-21 18:18:10] HUDDLES EZ Animator Deluxe v1.3.0: Could not find animation '*AW* Stand Arms Folded - Male'?
[2010-02-21 18:18:11] MistressBrazen Bondar: This is a roleplay that myself and Cursa were involved in?
[2010-02-21 18:18:42] HUDDLES EZ Animator Deluxe v1.3.0: Could not find animation '*AW* Stand Arms Folded - Male'.?
[2010-02-21 18:18:43] MistressBrazen Bondar: We were involved in a storyline over the summer that started off well, an ancient relic had been stolen and needed to be recovered before it fell into the hands of the wrong parties, but it could never resolve.?
[2010-02-21 18:18:44] Cursa Charisma looks nervous: "You don't mean *that* one, I hope?"?
[2010-02-21 18:18:47] Cursa Charisma winks?
[2010-02-21 18:18:48] MistressBrazen Bondar: lol?
[2010-02-21 18:18:51] MistressBrazen Bondar: yes that one?
[2010-02-21 18:19:04] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 18:19:14] MistressBrazen Bondar: Part of the problem there was that this was a long term storyline but the architects of the story had not chartered the story out in their own minds.?
[2010-02-21 18:19:30] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 18:19:39] MistressBrazen Bondar: The parties who represented the forces of evil didn't know they were in a race to recover the relic.?
[2010-02-21 18:19:56] MistressBrazen Bondar: Thus the storyline ended up being vague and the necessary supporting parts were not in place leaving a storyline behind that was impossible to finish.?
[2010-02-21 18:20:21] Thaiis Thei: Do you think this is about short term attention spans, or time constraints or wot??
[2010-02-21 18:20:37] Cursa Charisma: In this case, a failure to coordinate?
[2010-02-21 18:20:46] MistressBrazen Bondar: a failure to coordinate and?
[2010-02-21 18:20:56] MistressBrazen Bondar: in attention to detail by the architects?
[2010-02-21 18:21:05] Cursa Charisma: Planners assigning roles to people without those people knowing it?
[2010-02-21 18:21:07] MistressBrazen Bondar: *inattention?
[2010-02-21 18:21:14] HUDDLES EZ Animator Deluxe v1.3.0: Could not find animation '*AW* Stand Arms Folded - Male'?
[2010-02-21 18:21:17] Open Discussion Nov. 15 '09: Mikie Rhiadra, here is the transcript of this Nexus talk?
[2010-02-21 18:21:17] HUDDLES EZ Animator Deluxe v1.3.0: Could not find animation '*AW* Stand Arms Folded - Male'.?
[2010-02-21 18:21:18] HUDDLES EZ Animator Deluxe v1.3.0: Could not find animation '*AW* Stand Arms Folded - Male'?
[2010-02-21 18:21:18] Open Discussion Nov. 22, '09: Mikie Rhiadra, here is the transcript of this Nexus talk?
[2010-02-21 18:21:20] Cursa Charisma: And the creation of a "minigame" without informing the players of the rules?
[2010-02-21 18:21:31] Reiko Soyinka: yeah.?
[2010-02-21 18:21:33] MistressBrazen Bondar: and without the planner being sure of what the end result should be?
[2010-02-21 18:21:43] MistressBrazen Bondar: Hi Reiko?
[2010-02-21 18:21:51] Joan Vhargon: Should be or could be??
[2010-02-21 18:21:55] Cursa Charisma: I'd like to reserve a "devil's advocate" ticket on that one, Brazen?
[2010-02-21 18:21:58] Reiko Soyinka: Good points, so far.?
[2010-02-21 18:22:08] MistressBrazen Bondar: well I'll get to the should be or could be later?
[2010-02-21 18:22:14] Joan Vhargon: ok?
[2010-02-21 18:22:15] HUDDLES EZ Animator Deluxe v1.3.0: Could not find animation '*AW* Stand Arms Folded - Male'.?
[2010-02-21 18:22:28] MistressBrazen Bondar: because that is a key question to long term role play?
[2010-02-21 18:22:36] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 18:23:16] Mikie Rhiadra: TEE!?
[2010-02-21 18:23:19] Thaiis Thei: lol?
[2010-02-21 18:23:28] MistressBrazen Bondar: ((OMG!..you are so crazy)?
[2010-02-21 18:23:30] Teetopwillie Neiro: hi?
[2010-02-21 18:23:34] Blackberry Harvey is Offline?
[2010-02-21 18:23:37] Cursa Charisma: We had the Marios the other day, now it's Foghorn Leghorn?
[2010-02-21 18:23:38] Thaiis Thei loves giant cocks?
[2010-02-21 18:23:46] MistressBrazen Bondar: smh?
[2010-02-21 18:23:50] Mikie Rhiadra grins?
[2010-02-21 18:23:58] MistressBrazen Bondar regianing composure?
[2010-02-21 18:24:12] Keithen Darkfold is Online?
[2010-02-21 18:24:16] MistressBrazen Bondar: ok so the example of the fear of losing attention span was the Al Raqis trial?
[2010-02-21 18:24:18] Teetopwillie Neiro grins and clucks?
[2010-02-21 18:24:30] Cursa Charisma listens?
[2010-02-21 18:24:36] Mikie Rhiadra ruffles Tee's feathers?
[2010-02-21 18:24:45] MistressBrazen Bondar: he recent trial on Al Raqis of two suspects in an attempted murder was held. After two witnesses testified it became clear that there was no way the witness list could be completed that evening.?
[2010-02-21 18:25:05] MistressBrazen Bondar: In the meantime, plots upon plots and talk of breaking out the prisoners surfaced?
[2010-02-21 18:25:34] Cursa Charisma: (and a person who'd promised to help behind the scenes failed to appear)?
[2010-02-21 18:25:44] Cursa Charisma looks abashed?
[2010-02-21 18:26:02] MistressBrazen Bondar: The trial was brought to a conclusion in that one session with a result that was improbable\?
[2010-02-21 18:26:02] Reiko Soyinka: REserve a point on this one.?
[2010-02-21 18:26:07] Joan Vhargon: squirms in her seat?
[2010-02-21 18:26:10] MistressBrazen Bondar: but left unresolved all of the issues that the trial was attempting to reach?
[2010-02-21 18:26:15] Mikie Rhiadra: ((had a similar problem with a long term and long planned rp once a couple of details leaked everyone ran with it and effectively made the main plotline useless becasue they'd al doen it a dozen times))?
[2010-02-21 18:26:19] MistressBrazen Bondar: sure there's always discussion Reiko?
[2010-02-21 18:26:47] Reiko Soyinka: Yes, Mikie...that happened here, too.?
[2010-02-21 18:26:51] MistressBrazen Bondar: so the long term story line can be difficult to achieve?
[2010-02-21 18:27:06] Thaiis Thei: oh hello Reiko, I mistnt be paying enough attention I didnt see you come in?
[2010-02-21 18:27:06] MistressBrazen Bondar: But if people are willing to put the effort in long term storylines can be extremely rewarding for the core players and will create any number of short terms opportunities for casual players to engage in rp.?
[2010-02-21 18:27:16] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 18:27:37] MistressBrazen Bondar: so, since the chicken has arrived...let me use him as an example?
[2010-02-21 18:27:48] MistressBrazen Bondar: of long term story line?
[2010-02-21 18:28:06] MistressBrazen Bondar: The first is an example of the traditional long term plot and is the story of Teetopwillie Neiro/Commander Faith in Firefly. This character worked undercover for nearly eight months, living and moving about his community, waiting for a triggering event to cause him to reveal his true identity.?
[2010-02-21 18:28:25] Cursa Charisma: (eight real-time months, correct?)?
[2010-02-21 18:28:41] Teetopwillie Neiro: (something like that?
[2010-02-21 18:28:48] MistressBrazen Bondar: may be off on that but I think that is so..Tee can speak to it?
[2010-02-21 18:28:49] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 18:28:49] Mikie Rhiadra: (yes)?
[2010-02-21 18:28:53] MistressBrazen Bondar: There was no established date for the event. It would trigger when it was naturally appropriate.?
[2010-02-21 18:29:07] MistressBrazen Bondar: During that entire time period numerous short term role play situations were created with that character as he continued down his path.?
[2010-02-21 18:29:23] MistressBrazen Bondar: Now that the triggering event has occurred the community has now had five months of new problems and issues and new role play opportunities that have arisen in response to the the character coming out into the open.?
[2010-02-21 18:29:35] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 18:29:52] MistressBrazen Bondar: yet it remains within the context of the long term plot?
[2010-02-21 18:30:06] MistressBrazen Bondar: The second example is the kidnap of Brooke Rhea. This event involved the capture of Brooke Rhea and holding her for ransom.?
[2010-02-21 18:30:15] Cursa Charisma listens?
[2010-02-21 18:30:30] MistressBrazen Bondar: and I should say this is an example of the other kind of role play I referred to in the beginning?
[2010-02-21 18:30:41] MistressBrazen Bondar: one that needs several sessions to resolve?
[2010-02-21 18:30:54] MistressBrazen Bondar: The kidnap plot was complicated and the story was not forced to conclude in one session. In fact, as I have been informed, it took four days to resolve the kidnap, allowing for some rich interactions and character development.?
[2010-02-21 18:31:20] MistressBrazen Bondar: Long term role play has many rewards but it requires work to have it run smoothly.?
[2010-02-21 18:31:49] MistressBrazen Bondar: The author, planner or architect or authors must think through a storyline far out in advance.?
[2010-02-21 18:32:06] MistressBrazen Bondar: The authors must have a sense of how the story should play out but at the same time must also anticipate where spontaneous role play will occur within the storyline and the degree to which the spontaneous role play will be allowed to divert the storyline.?
[2010-02-21 18:32:25] MistressBrazen Bondar: and this speaks to Joan's earlier question?
[2010-02-21 18:32:34] Cursa Charisma: Or, put another way, a clear idea of how other players can interact with it positively?
[2010-02-21 18:32:39] MistressBrazen Bondar: yes?
[2010-02-21 18:32:41] MistressBrazen Bondar: f it can be diverted it must be decided how far or within which parameters the diversion can occur. If the story cannot be diverted then the authors must decide how to handle spontaneous role play that may derail the story line.?
[2010-02-21 18:33:20] MistressBrazen Bondar: handle it so that it in fact does not derail the story but allows the spontaneous player to engage?
[2010-02-21 18:33:38] MistressBrazen Bondar: It requires organization and recruitment of the parties and it may even require some rehearsals.?
[2010-02-21 18:33:49] bea Gartner is Online?
[2010-02-21 18:33:53] MistressBrazen Bondar: But the challenge of making it work is its own reward and can help more experienced core players retain a sense of excitement and freshness in their role play.?
[2010-02-21 18:34:36] MistressBrazen Bondar: SO..I think that stays pretty much within the 30 minute presentation part and we can throw it open for questions, comments and discussion?
[2010-02-21 18:34:57] Cursa Charisma: Alright, let's start in an orderly fashion and see how long that lasts?
[2010-02-21 18:34:58] Cursa Charisma winks?
[2010-02-21 18:35:05] Cursa Charisma: Reiko reserved a point earlier?
[2010-02-21 18:35:09] Reiko Soyinka: Comment...?
[2010-02-21 18:35:10] MistressBrazen Bondar: your rowdies aen't hear tonight?
[2010-02-21 18:35:12] Cursa Charisma: Why don't we bgeing with that??
[2010-02-21 18:35:15] Teetopwillie Neiro: tee reserves one too?
[2010-02-21 18:35:17] Mikie Rhiadra nods?
[2010-02-21 18:35:24] Cursa Charisma: begin*?
[2010-02-21 18:35:42] Reiko Soyinka: Ah, the reservation is pointless...the comment however....?
[2010-02-21 18:36:01] Cursa Charisma gestures for Reiko to proceed?
[2010-02-21 18:36:15] Joan Vhargon: listens?
[2010-02-21 18:36:30] Reiko Soyinka: While I can roleplay fairly well, can assist a storyline, I can NOT come up with stories myself.?
[2010-02-21 18:37:49] Reiko Soyinka: sorry, done.?
[2010-02-21 18:37:55] MistressBrazen Bondar: ok :)?
[2010-02-21 18:38:04] MistressBrazen Bondar: hard to tell sometimes when people are done?
[2010-02-21 18:38:09] Persephone Rhode is Offline?
[2010-02-21 18:38:13] MistressBrazen Bondar: well not every one can create the storylines?
[2010-02-21 18:38:20] MistressBrazen Bondar: some rp'ers are also writers?
[2010-02-21 18:38:21] Cursa Charisma: Not alone, anyway?
[2010-02-21 18:38:30] MistressBrazen Bondar: so this comes natural to them?
[2010-02-21 18:38:47] MistressBrazen Bondar: but it is also possible for a small goup to colloborate on a story line?
[2010-02-21 18:38:53] MistressBrazen Bondar: *group?
[2010-02-21 18:38:54] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 18:38:57] Cursa Charisma: Exactly?
[2010-02-21 18:39:08] Teetopwillie Neiro: yes, tis quite so?
[2010-02-21 18:39:38] MistressBrazen Bondar: thats can be fun for the group of players too?
[2010-02-21 18:39:38] Reiko Soyinka: Hmmm, comment and question after Teetop.?
[2010-02-21 18:39:55] MistressBrazen Bondar: and force them to think outside of how they would normally act or react as the case may be?
[2010-02-21 18:39:59] Teetopwillie Neiro: go ahead reiko?
[2010-02-21 18:40:02] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 18:40:06] Nando Baxton is Offline?
[2010-02-21 18:40:42] JaguarX Constantine is Offline?
[2010-02-21 18:40:56] Reiko Soyinka: Joan and I played in a different Dune sim...complete with the Harkonnens, et cetera...?
[2010-02-21 18:41:04] Joan Vhargon: listens?
[2010-02-21 18:41:28] Reiko Soyinka: We had a small group of regulars...with Joan and myself being the last add ins.?
[2010-02-21 18:41:48] Reiko Soyinka: Oh, and a wizard...?
[2010-02-21 18:41:56] Reiko Soyinka: anyway...?
[2010-02-21 18:42:05] Reiko Soyinka: it seemed to me that...?
[2010-02-21 18:42:18] Reiko Soyinka: they seemed to be running out of storylines...?
[2010-02-21 18:42:37] Joan Vhargon: And those storylines were very rigid?
[2010-02-21 18:42:40] Reiko Soyinka: and were starting to get extreme.?
[2010-02-21 18:43:01] Reiko Soyinka: Yes, we BG's couldn't carry knives or other weapons...?
[2010-02-21 18:43:01] MistressBrazen Bondar: that happens when there is strict canon?
[2010-02-21 18:43:05] Joan Vhargon: to the point where we were asked to change Role Plays after the fact.?
[2010-02-21 18:43:06] Cursa Charisma: This is approaching my reserved point, too?
[2010-02-21 18:43:20] Reiko Soyinka: /nod?
[2010-02-21 18:43:24] Cursa Charisma: Please continue?
[2010-02-21 18:43:25] Nando Baxton is Online?
[2010-02-21 18:44:04] Reiko Soyinka: So, what is a small sized group that isn't too small??
[2010-02-21 18:44:12] Reiko Soyinka: Because...?
[2010-02-21 18:44:42] Reiko Soyinka: in another game, I was in a community that ran huge arcs, and every arc drove some people away.?
[2010-02-21 18:45:13] MistressBrazen Bondar: Cursa if I may suggest?
[2010-02-21 18:45:21] Reiko Soyinka: done?
[2010-02-21 18:45:30] MistressBrazen Bondar: in another group we use ** at the end of comment to signal the speaker is finished?
[2010-02-21 18:45:44] Mikie Rhiadra: that seems quite reasonable?
[2010-02-21 18:45:57] MistressBrazen Bondar: its very helpful**?
[2010-02-21 18:46:19] Teetopwillie Neiro: very good$$?
[2010-02-21 18:46:23] MistressBrazen Bondar: lol?
[2010-02-21 18:46:28] Cursa Charisma: Alright, Brazen, that sounds useful. Anyone who agrees is of course welcome to do so**?
[2010-02-21 18:46:29] Cursa Charisma winks?
[2010-02-21 18:46:32] Reiko Soyinka: We also used just a ? to signal something to say...or question to be asked.?
[2010-02-21 18:46:40] Reiko Soyinka: **?
[2010-02-21 18:47:25] Reiko Soyinka: ??
[2010-02-21 18:47:38] MistressBrazen Bondar: On the question of size..obviously this can be a detriment. Nonetheless if you have two or three small groups within the sim..there can be good long term role play. Not ever one will stay or like it. There are alwyas people who will drop**?
[2010-02-21 18:47:39] Reiko Soyinka: it is easier to see than any phrase**?
[2010-02-21 18:47:48] Cursa Charisma: OK, am I correct that Reiko's point is about rigid predetermined plotlines killing fun??
[2010-02-21 18:48:17] MistressBrazen Bondar: Seems so Cursa, combined with the size thing**?
[2010-02-21 18:48:25] Joan Vhargon: I would agree with that statement.**?
[2010-02-21 18:48:35] Cursa Charisma: Cool?
[2010-02-21 18:48:39] Joan Vhargon: How can you force a player or a group of players to stick to a pre determined script? What fun is that?**?
[2010-02-21 18:49:01] Cursa Charisma: This touches on the whole question of shared definitions and rules?
[2010-02-21 18:49:18] Cursa Charisma: RP in SL often founders on lack of up-front shared definitions?
[2010-02-21 18:49:20] Mikie Rhiadra: I don't think ou can, youc an lay down a rough outline, but rp needs to have room to flow naturally, to whatever conclusion it reaches**?
[2010-02-21 18:49:21] Thaiis Thei: not fun?
[2010-02-21 18:49:30] Cursa Charisma: Or rather, assumptions about shared definitions that turn out later to be wrong?
[2010-02-21 18:49:43] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 18:49:44] Teetopwillie Neiro: agrees with Mikie**?
[2010-02-21 18:49:59] Cursa Charisma: Mikie's right. Spontaneity and flexibility are crucial to fun?
[2010-02-21 18:50:07] Cursa Charisma: To everyone's being able to have fun, that is?
[2010-02-21 18:50:23] Cursa Charisma: In the example Brazen gave of Tee's deep cover plotline...?
[2010-02-21 18:50:29] MistressBrazen Bondar: I don't support scripting. I do support thinking the storyline out. It should be flexible but that doesn't mean the planner cannot direct within that context**?
[2010-02-21 18:50:49] Cursa Charisma: Tee himself was taken by surprise when the character appeared who triggered the revelation?
[2010-02-21 18:50:49] Thaiis Thei: I recommend "Exodus tot he Virtual Wolrd" where he talks baout the fun economy?
[2010-02-21 18:51:02] Persephone Rhode is Online?
[2010-02-21 18:51:08] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 18:51:27] Joan Vhargon: The courtroom drama you are referring to ended that way because the Prosecutor refused to follow suggestions and took it in a different direction than I had asked or planned. He decided to go after me as the judge, and it made sense based on the evidence. What should I have done in that situation? Throw a fit? Ask for a do over?**?
[2010-02-21 18:51:51] MistressBrazen Bondar: I don't attack the trial itself Joan...?
[2010-02-21 18:51:57] Cursa Charisma: OK, I'll hold my point and questions?
[2010-02-21 18:52:11] Reiko Soyinka: WAit...?
[2010-02-21 18:52:19] MistressBrazen Bondar: I am merely talking about an example...one of the things that could have happened there was to have a meeting?
[2010-02-21 18:52:25] Reiko Soyinka: Tee talks about the fun economy??
[2010-02-21 18:52:33] MistressBrazen Bondar: with th eplayers...but thats just an example**?
[2010-02-21 18:52:37] Joan Vhargon: I still have the question. What do you do when it doesn't go as planned?**?
[2010-02-21 18:52:44] Cursa Charisma: Thaiis is mentioning the fun economy, but let's finish Joan's point?
[2010-02-21 18:52:55] Cursa Charisma: Excellent question?
[2010-02-21 18:53:14] MistressBrazen Bondar: addressed to me or the group??
[2010-02-21 18:53:16] Cursa Charisma: Tee, could you tell us about the wedding reception in that regard??
[2010-02-21 18:53:34] MistressBrazen Bondar: yep that would be interesting..?
[2010-02-21 18:53:51] Joan Vhargon: Any answer would be fine.?
[2010-02-21 18:54:06] Teetopwillie Neiro looks at the group and says "uh hum"?
[2010-02-21 18:54:39] Teetopwillie Neiro: the wedding was a natural progression of my basic plot line,?
[2010-02-21 18:54:45] Cursa Charisma: As I understand it, none of the participants in the wedding knew what was going to pop up at the reception, is that right??
[2010-02-21 18:55:01] Teetopwillie Neiro: you are correct Cursa,?
[2010-02-21 18:55:04] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 18:55:10] Cursa Charisma shuts up and listens?
[2010-02-21 18:55:14] Teetopwillie Neiro: Even I did not know what was going to happen?
[2010-02-21 18:55:18] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 18:55:40] Teetopwillie Neiro: I knew that the time for tee the nice trader was coming to end?
[2010-02-21 18:55:45] Teetopwillie Neiro: but that is all?
[2010-02-21 18:56:05] Teetopwillie Neiro: I had planned in detail a nice wedding rp session?
[2010-02-21 18:56:10] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 18:56:20] Teetopwillie Neiro: not the script, but the scene,?
[2010-02-21 18:57:26] Teetopwillie Neiro: during the wedding a "one off" charcaters from tee's bride's past showed up and surprised me.?
[2010-02-21 18:57:37] Teetopwillie Neiro: I thought what the hell do i do with this?
[2010-02-21 18:57:47] Cursa Charisma: And this was an NPC heretofore, correct??
[2010-02-21 18:57:55] Cursa Charisma: You didn't even know who was operating the character Sanders??
[2010-02-21 18:57:57] Teetopwillie Neiro: nods,?
[2010-02-21 18:58:11] Teetopwillie Neiro: no, still don't, and it does not matter?
[2010-02-21 18:58:14] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 18:58:22] Cursa Charisma nods vigorously?
[2010-02-21 18:58:23] Cursa Charisma winks?
[2010-02-21 18:58:40] Teetopwillie Neiro: i disided on the fly to just let evil tee loose at that moment?
[2010-02-21 18:58:57] Persephone Rhode is Offline?
[2010-02-21 18:59:05] Teetopwillie Neiro: was completely organic, but still in the line of where I wanted tee to go?
[2010-02-21 18:59:21] Persephone Rhode is Online?
[2010-02-21 18:59:24] Mikie Rhiadra: was a hellfo an event?
[2010-02-21 18:59:42] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 18:59:47] Reiko Soyinka: <---has no idea what happened.?
[2010-02-21 18:59:59] Teetopwillie Neiro: and let me say this, all this was possible with the help and friendship and support of Mikie, here storyline has been operating for a year and a half?
[2010-02-21 19:00:03] Cursa Charisma: OK, Sanders was the husband of the bride, Brooke, believed dead?
[2010-02-21 19:00:17] Cursa Charisma: And the "dead" husband appeared at the wedding reception?
[2010-02-21 19:00:26] Reiko Soyinka: ahhhh...?
[2010-02-21 19:00:30] Reiko Soyinka: thank you.?
[2010-02-21 19:00:55] Thaiis Thei: Was he a zombie??
[2010-02-21 19:01:02] Teetopwillie Neiro: and tee shot him dead,?
[2010-02-21 19:01:21] Cursa Charisma: Tee first said he was taking the guy away?
[2010-02-21 19:01:22] Reiko Soyinka: LOL?
[2010-02-21 19:01:45] Cursa Charisma: And people objected, because they didn't know what he was supposed to have done?
[2010-02-21 19:01:45] Teetopwillie Neiro: nods at cursa?
[2010-02-21 19:01:53] Cursa Charisma: And Tee produced a derringer?
[2010-02-21 19:02:00] Teetopwillie Neiro: looks at cursa?
[2010-02-21 19:02:05] Cursa Charisma smiles broadly?
[2010-02-21 19:02:18] MistressBrazen Bondar: ..now boys?
[2010-02-21 19:02:32] Teetopwillie Neiro: all folks were stripped of weapons "rp wise" prior to wedding?
[2010-02-21 19:02:45] Cursa Charisma: So when "people" interfered with his taking Sanders away, Tee decided to shoot the man?
[2010-02-21 19:03:01] Reiko Soyinka: Ok, that is one way to handle that...?
[2010-02-21 19:03:19] Cursa Charisma: Then "people" interfered with Tee getting away, so...?
[2010-02-21 19:03:30] Cursa Charisma: Using long-pre-established story material...?
[2010-02-21 19:03:33] Mikie Rhiadra: it wound up providing an opportunity to advance mroe tha one storyline?
[2010-02-21 19:03:37] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 19:03:54] Persephone Rhode is Online?
[2010-02-21 19:03:56] Cursa Charisma: He used a command word to trigger Mikie?
[2010-02-21 19:04:01] Cursa Charisma smiles broadly?
[2010-02-21 19:04:08] Teetopwillie Neiro: Imhoff?
[2010-02-21 19:04:20] Cursa Charisma starts in his seat?
[2010-02-21 19:04:28] MistressBrazen Bondar: flash back?
[2010-02-21 19:04:30] MistressBrazen Bondar: lol?
[2010-02-21 19:04:31] Cursa Charisma: Yup?
[2010-02-21 19:04:39] Mikie Rhiadra grins?
[2010-02-21 19:04:57] Cursa Charisma starts absent-mindedly wiping his palm across his chest?
[2010-02-21 19:05:23] Reiko Soyinka: ok, in that case...I have another comment.?
[2010-02-21 19:05:29] Cursa Charisma: So Mikie pulled out an assault rifle and opened fire on her townspeople?
[2010-02-21 19:06:05] Cursa Charisma: Please?
[2010-02-21 19:06:13] Joan Vhargon: Wait. This talk is called??
[2010-02-21 19:06:16] Joan Vhargon: "Improbable, Implausible, Impossible - Creating Consistency and Coherence In Long Term Role Play"?
[2010-02-21 19:06:19] Blackberry Harvey is Online?
[2010-02-21 19:06:22] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 19:06:24] MistressBrazen Bondar: the point being that the story lines had been thought out well in advance?
[2010-02-21 19:06:24] Joan Vhargon: **?
[2010-02-21 19:06:37] MistressBrazen Bondar: and each of the lines had been well developed?
[2010-02-21 19:06:43] MistressBrazen Bondar: within the story lines?
[2010-02-21 19:06:49] Cursa Charisma: If I may?
[2010-02-21 19:06:49] MistressBrazen Bondar: it was not inconsistent?
[2010-02-21 19:06:52] Reiko Soyinka: Let's go back to that unsatisfactory trial....?
[2010-02-21 19:06:58] Cursa Charisma: Wait a moment, please?
[2010-02-21 19:07:13] Cursa Charisma: I wanted to make a point about the Tee rp that answered a question of Joan's?
[2010-02-21 19:07:19] Reiko Soyinka: /nod?
[2010-02-21 19:07:20] MistressBrazen Bondar: go ahead?
[2010-02-21 19:07:27] Cursa Charisma: What does one do when radically unexpected things come up?
[2010-02-21 19:07:34] Joan Vhargon: Yes??
[2010-02-21 19:07:48] Joan Vhargon: !?
[2010-02-21 19:08:15] Cursa Charisma: Short answer: IM people. I IMed with the person playing Sanders, and with Tee, and with another player with background in the characters (Dex)?
[2010-02-21 19:08:29] Cursa Charisma: I asked what would be OK for my character to do with regard to their characters?
[2010-02-21 19:08:51] Teetopwillie Neiro: nods, i asked sander if it was ok to kill him?
[2010-02-21 19:09:01] MistressBrazen Bondar: lol?
[2010-02-21 19:09:05] Cursa Charisma: So, for example, Cursa couldn't prevent Tee from suddenly blowing Sanders' brains out, but was able to take the derringer afterward?
[2010-02-21 19:09:10] Cursa Charisma: Yes?
[2010-02-21 19:09:11] Mikie Rhiadra: as well as asked m if i was ready to reveal that aspect in my storyline?
[2010-02-21 19:09:15] Mikie Rhiadra: when i came online?
[2010-02-21 19:09:18] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 19:09:23] Teetopwillie Neiro: nods, to mikie?
[2010-02-21 19:09:31] Blackberry Harvey is Online?
[2010-02-21 19:10:01] Cursa Charisma: The reverse of "god mode" is to IM players to check what is OK to do with their characters?
[2010-02-21 19:10:56] Reiko Soyinka: That works...IF....the other players will work with you.?
[2010-02-21 19:11:15] Teetopwillie Neiro: if they don't I just move on.?
[2010-02-21 19:11:19] Cursa Charisma: Right?
[2010-02-21 19:11:21] Joan Vhargon: IReiko has a point. n this example that was all done with the prosecutor. He insited on his approach and was right to do so. Should I have pushed the scene or the arc unnaturally toward the predetermined outcome or let it happen?**?
[2010-02-21 19:11:34] Cursa Charisma: No, Joan?
[2010-02-21 19:11:40] MistressBrazen Bondar: may I offer??
[2010-02-21 19:11:46] Joan Vhargon: Please do.?
[2010-02-21 19:11:47] Cursa Charisma shuts up?
[2010-02-21 19:11:54] Mikie Rhiadra: yse that can be a problm, there willb e times when they won't. If that arises, work aroudn it, or move on. Some people want every rp mement to be abotu focus on their characters, so sometimes you just have to let it go **?
[2010-02-21 19:12:07] MistressBrazen Bondar: as could be shown from the discussion just now between Tee, Cursa and Mikie?
[2010-02-21 19:12:46] MistressBrazen Bondar: There had been both careful thought as to where the players wanted their characters to go?
[2010-02-21 19:12:56] MistressBrazen Bondar: and some coorination and cooperation?
[2010-02-21 19:13:12] Cursa Charisma: Tee and Mikie had long-term ideas going there?
[2010-02-21 19:13:20] Cursa Charisma: I just rolled with the spontaneous situation?
[2010-02-21 19:13:21] Cursa Charisma winks?
[2010-02-21 19:13:23] MistressBrazen Bondar: when one is working on a story line hat will take more than one session?
[2010-02-21 19:13:29] MistressBrazen Bondar: *that will?
[2010-02-21 19:13:54] MistressBrazen Bondar: it is sometimes a good idea for the major players to conference ahead of the role play?
[2010-02-21 19:14:06] MistressBrazen Bondar: I know this is not something that happens often in SL?
[2010-02-21 19:14:17] Cursa Charisma: Time zones and offline commitments interfere?
[2010-02-21 19:14:19] MistressBrazen Bondar: but in the MMORPG world this is regularly done?
[2010-02-21 19:14:24] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 19:14:29] MistressBrazen Bondar: and they have time issues as well?
[2010-02-21 19:14:33] Cursa Charisma: True?
[2010-02-21 19:14:35] Cursa Charisma: Good point?
[2010-02-21 19:14:40] MistressBrazen Bondar: the point is for everyone to be on the same general page?
[2010-02-21 19:14:46] Cursa Charisma: One is reminded of the "Leroy Jenkins" video?
[2010-02-21 19:14:52] MistressBrazen Bondar: so that no one player can submarine the endeavor?
[2010-02-21 19:15:00] MistressBrazen Bondar: dont know that one Cursa?
[2010-02-21 19:15:11] MistressBrazen Bondar: of course you cant guarantee cooperation?
[2010-02-21 19:15:12] Cursa Charisma: I'll get a URL, just a moment - please proceed?
[2010-02-21 19:15:13] Teetopwillie Neiro: nods, but if you rp, the story will cometogether, but like life is has surprises,?
[2010-02-21 19:15:26] MistressBrazen Bondar: but it helps if there is some broad picture in the beginning?
[2010-02-21 19:15:28] MistressBrazen Bondar: **?
[2010-02-21 19:15:37] Teetopwillie Neiro: a group for your core rp partners is esential in my book,?
[2010-02-21 19:16:13] Teetopwillie Neiro: it was a private line of comms to keep all up to date**?
[2010-02-21 19:16:26] Cursa Charisma: http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=LkCNJRfSZBU?
[2010-02-21 19:16:26] MistressBrazen Bondar nods in agreement?
[2010-02-21 19:16:32] Cursa Charisma: Leeroy Jenkins, sorry?
[2010-02-21 19:16:46] Cursa Charisma: Good point, Tee?
[2010-02-21 19:17:23] MistressBrazen Bondar: that would have helped in the artifact rp as well**?
[2010-02-21 19:17:29] Cursa Charisma: Whether it's a formal SL group or an informal group, a core of key people need to run any venture such as an rp plot?
[2010-02-21 19:18:21] Reiko Soyinka: ok, so, recommendation is to make a small group the "storytellers"??
[2010-02-21 19:18:28] Cursa Charisma: No?
[2010-02-21 19:18:51] Teetopwillie Neiro: nods,?
[2010-02-21 19:18:51] Cursa Charisma: The basic rule of freeform rp is the "no god mode" rule?
[2010-02-21 19:19:11] MistressBrazen Bondar: I think it depends on what you are trying to accomplish?
[2010-02-21 19:19:15] Cursa Charisma: Don't kill, or otherwise severely alter, the other people's characters or established material without permission?
[2010-02-21 19:19:23] MistressBrazen Bondar: if its a long term story line...?
[2010-02-21 19:19:41] MistressBrazen Bondar: a small group of planners helps?
[2010-02-21 19:19:53] Thaiis Thei: it needs randomness?
[2010-02-21 19:19:55] Reiko Soyinka: Ok, then, and we may be facing this problem...HOW do you stop others from doing it to you??
[2010-02-21 19:20:05] Teetopwillie Neiro: yes Thaiis?
[2010-02-21 19:20:06] Cursa Charisma: I'd say, spontaneity, Thaiis, not randomness?
[2010-02-21 19:20:16] Joan Vhargon: Can that group force players to comply Brazen??
[2010-02-21 19:20:18] MistressBrazen Bondar: agree with spontaneity?
[2010-02-21 19:20:28] Thaiis Thei: no i really mean randomness?
[2010-02-21 19:20:37] MistressBrazen Bondar: Im not sure what you mean by do it to you?
[2010-02-21 19:20:37] Thaiis Thei: if i can explian..?
[2010-02-21 19:20:47] Cursa Charisma: Yes, Thaiis, you mean randomness, but I'd say spontaneity?
[2010-02-21 19:20:48] Cursa Charisma winks?
[2010-02-21 19:20:57] Cursa Charisma listens?
[2010-02-21 19:20:58] MistressBrazen Bondar: go Thaiis...?
[2010-02-21 19:21:11] Thaiis Thei: i dont think we mean the same thing?
[2010-02-21 19:21:26] Thaiis Thei: if yoiu know that no ones charachter can die it is boring?
[2010-02-21 19:21:33] Thaiis Thei: and i am just using death as an example?
[2010-02-21 19:21:40] Thaiis Thei: it could be any other variable?
[2010-02-21 19:21:59] Thaiis Thei: so you need to introduce randomness?
[2010-02-21 19:22:18] Thaiis Thei: if ther eis osme kind of confrontation than rather than deciding in advacne who will die etc?
[2010-02-21 19:22:25] Thaiis Thei: then have a randonness generaotor?
[2010-02-21 19:22:34] Thaiis Thei: this is what happens in viedo games?
[2010-02-21 19:22:41] Cursa Charisma: May I??
[2010-02-21 19:22:55] MistressBrazen Bondar: sure than I would like to respond?
[2010-02-21 19:22:55] Thaiis Thei: so if two people ocme to fight varioud factors will come into consideration rew who will win?
[2010-02-21 19:22:59] Thaiis Thei: go ahdead?
[2010-02-21 19:22:59] Cursa Charisma: Going back to the example of Sanders, Tee asked the player in IM, may I kill him?
[2010-02-21 19:23:21] Cursa Charisma: And I asked Tee if Cursa could disarm him?
[2010-02-21 19:23:27] Cursa Charisma: It's a question of asking permission?
[2010-02-21 19:23:38] Cursa Charisma: That does not hamper spontaneity?
[2010-02-21 19:23:52] Cursa Charisma: And if the story is good enough, I'll happily let my character be killed?
[2010-02-21 19:23:57] Cursa Charisma: But that's my choice?
[2010-02-21 19:24:04] Cursa Charisma: **?
[2010-02-21 19:24:04] Thaiis Thei: my point is abotu not having people decide but having the game decide?
[2010-02-21 19:24:05] Cursa Charisma winks?
[2010-02-21 19:24:08] Thaiis Thei: this ibntroduces risk?
[2010-02-21 19:24:10] Thaiis Thei: which is more exciting?
[2010-02-21 19:24:11] Cursa Charisma: Well, with meters, yes?
[2010-02-21 19:24:14] Cursa Charisma: Agreed?
[2010-02-21 19:24:16] MistressBrazen Bondar: that is video game Thaiis?
[2010-02-21 19:24:23] MistressBrazen Bondar: not role play?
[2010-02-21 19:24:29] Cursa Charisma: When Mikie opened up with the assault rifle, whom she hit was decided by meter?
[2010-02-21 19:24:31] Thaiis Thei: role play = gaming?
[2010-02-21 19:24:33] Reiko Soyinka: Sorry, I agree with Thaiis...?
[2010-02-21 19:24:33] MistressBrazen Bondar: even in the context of games on line there is role play?
[2010-02-21 19:24:37] Cursa Charisma: And when Kitten shot her down, that was by meter?
[2010-02-21 19:24:59] Cursa Charisma: Ah, the definition of role playing comes up!?
[2010-02-21 19:25:00] MistressBrazen Bondar: and as I said it is up to the planners to think about whether their story line can accommodate that degree of?
[2010-02-21 19:25:04] MistressBrazen Bondar: deviation?
[2010-02-21 19:25:26] MistressBrazen Bondar: if they can tolerate it without destroying their story fine?
[2010-02-21 19:25:26] Reiko Soyinka: I have permadied quite a few times...some by words, some by meter....in all but one case, it was random.?
[2010-02-21 19:25:34] Cursa Charisma: Yes, Brazen, and the way I suggest to make that work as a game (with rules) is the ask-permission rule?
[2010-02-21 19:25:43] MistressBrazen Bondar: agreed Cursa?
[2010-02-21 19:26:03] Cursa Charisma: Thaiis, metered combat is fine, if agreed?
[2010-02-21 19:26:03] MistressBrazen Bondar: we are really talking apples and organges here with the discussion of meter and randomness?
[2010-02-21 19:26:13] Cursa Charisma: I think there's a way to square that circle?
[2010-02-21 19:26:33] MistressBrazen Bondar remmenbers that Thaiis is an anachist?
[2010-02-21 19:26:36] Cursa Charisma: If a particular time and place are declared "PvP", as happens in MMOs, then spontaneous combat is fine?
[2010-02-21 19:26:42] MistressBrazen Bondar: *anarchist?
[2010-02-21 19:26:49] Cursa Charisma: Otherwise, people have to get permission in IM?
[2010-02-21 19:26:59] Cursa Charisma: Voila!?
[2010-02-21 19:27:01] Cursa Charisma winks?
[2010-02-21 19:27:31] MistressBrazen Bondar: so if I may go back to the point of people doing things to you?
[2010-02-21 19:27:36] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 19:28:11] MistressBrazen Bondar: if I understand Reiko or Joan's question, sorry forgot who asked it, the question seems to be what happens if a player refuses to cooperate with where the group wants to go??
[2010-02-21 19:28:16] MistressBrazen Bondar: is that right??
[2010-02-21 19:28:29] Reiko Soyinka: Partially, yes.?
[2010-02-21 19:28:30] Joan Vhargon: Not really?
[2010-02-21 19:28:35] MistressBrazen Bondar: lol?
[2010-02-21 19:28:50] MistressBrazen Bondar: perhaps you can each explain your question.?
[2010-02-21 19:28:55] Joan Vhargon: where the group wants to go is the part that sticks with me**?
[2010-02-21 19:29:45] Joan Vhargon: Each player interprets a situation differently. that's why its interesting to play with people rather tham machines?
[2010-02-21 19:29:49] Cursa Charisma: I would strongly disagree with "where the group wants to go"?
[2010-02-21 19:29:57] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 19:30:07] MistressBrazen Bondar: by group I am taking about the planners of the event?
[2010-02-21 19:30:23] MistressBrazen Bondar: so for example, you asked Tee if you could do so and so?
[2010-02-21 19:30:56] Joan Vhargon: A player should be allowed to take a scene in a "natural" direction even though it may not have fallen within the parameters of what the writers dreamed.?
[2010-02-21 19:30:56] Cursa Charisma: In the case of the trial, the overriding limitation was the disposition of BriAria's character, was it not? So, anything that deviated from the pre-planned resolution of that should have been asked of her in IM, shouldn't it??
[2010-02-21 19:30:56] Teetopwillie Neiro: tee would ask for the requsite 40 bucks he gets in Seattle for so and so?
[2010-02-21 19:31:15] MistressBrazen Bondar: lol?
[2010-02-21 19:31:21] MistressBrazen Bondar: yes Cursa?
[2010-02-21 19:31:40] Reiko Soyinka: Actually, it was, Cursa...?
[2010-02-21 19:32:05] Persephone Rhode is Offline?
[2010-02-21 19:32:05] Reiko Soyinka: Here was the situation.?
[2010-02-21 19:32:19] Joan Vhargon: listens to Reiko.?
[2010-02-21 19:32:22] Persephone Rhode is Online?
[2010-02-21 19:32:29] Reiko Soyinka: Little girl does a very public failed attempted murder.?
[2010-02-21 19:32:41] Reiko Soyinka: Little girl gets put into jail.?
[2010-02-21 19:32:49] Blackberry Harvey is Offline?
[2010-02-21 19:33:01] Reiko Soyinka: Little girl states that she will do a jailbreak.?
[2010-02-21 19:33:19] Persephone Rhode is Offline?
[2010-02-21 19:33:28] Cursa Charisma: That was resolved before the trial, Reiko?
[2010-02-21 19:33:31] Reiko Soyinka: Adult woman says, no...this jail will not let you go...that is the nature of this jail...?
[2010-02-21 19:33:32] Cursa Charisma: You may not be aware?
[2010-02-21 19:33:35] Persephone Rhode is Online?
[2010-02-21 19:33:39] Blackberry Harvey is Online?
[2010-02-21 19:33:57] Reiko Soyinka: I may not be, Cursa, that is true...?
[2010-02-21 19:34:09] Cursa Charisma: As Joan may recall, I worked to arrange that no FFRP "rescue" nonsense would happen?
[2010-02-21 19:34:28] Joan Vhargon: I appreciated that Cursa.?
[2010-02-21 19:34:29] Cursa Charisma: Bri agreed that her character would be convicted and allowed to serve her sentence in the Alliance?
[2010-02-21 19:34:44] Cursa Charisma: So that they could do their "rescue" thing without harming the credibility of Al Raqis?
[2010-02-21 19:35:02] Persephone Rhode is Offline?
[2010-02-21 19:35:03] Reiko Soyinka: Oh, the last I heard was that she turned down that offer after due consideration.?
[2010-02-21 19:35:20] Reiko Soyinka: AND advice from others.?
[2010-02-21 19:35:30] Persephone Rhode is Online?
[2010-02-21 19:35:35] MistressBrazen Bondar clears her throat?
[2010-02-21 19:35:44] MistressBrazen Bondar: if I may...?
[2010-02-21 19:35:49] Cursa Charisma listens to Brazen?
[2010-02-21 19:35:51] Reiko Soyinka: Then I started hearing all this stuff about Kanly...?
[2010-02-21 19:36:11] Cursa Charisma: Welcome, Luke!?
[2010-02-21 19:36:19] CoolLuke Sands: Hi?
[2010-02-21 19:36:21] CoolLuke Sands: Sorry we are late?
[2010-02-21 19:36:28] Cursa Charisma: Glad to have you?
[2010-02-21 19:36:36] Reiko Soyinka: and people moving mountains to make kanly an option.?
[2010-02-21 19:36:39] MistressBrazen Bondar: Hi Luke?
[2010-02-21 19:36:46] Thaiis Thei: hi Cool Luke?
[2010-02-21 19:36:46] MistressBrazen Bondar: Hi Tabitha?
[2010-02-21 19:36:58] Mikie Rhiadra: evenin Luke, Tabs?
[2010-02-21 19:37:02] Cursa Charisma: Welcome, Tabby?
[2010-02-21 19:37:03] Tabitha Diesel: hiya :)?
[2010-02-21 19:37:38] Cursa Charisma: All irrelevant, Reiko?
[2010-02-21 19:37:44] Reiko Soyinka: That whole thing started with good roleplay, but went south because it was NOT well thought out.?
[2010-02-21 19:37:47] MistressBrazen Bondar: If I may...?
[2010-02-21 19:37:54] Cursa Charisma: Joan as owner/admin had power to rule what was allowed on AR?
[2010-02-21 19:38:05] Cursa Charisma: People were warned that violating the rules could result in booting?
[2010-02-21 19:38:19] Cursa Charisma: And everything had been thought out?
[2010-02-21 19:38:20] MistressBrazen Bondar: can I exercise some perorative as the speaker for the night??
[2010-02-21 19:38:25] Cursa Charisma: Please do, Brazen?
[2010-02-21 19:38:34] Joan Vhargon: Please do, Brazen?
[2010-02-21 19:39:02] MistressBrazen Bondar: As I have said in other venues..the analysis of the trial can tend to take on a personal tone and it need not. It was the first major role play for the sim?
[2010-02-21 19:39:04] MistressBrazen Bondar: however?
[2010-02-21 19:39:17] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 19:39:22] MistressBrazen Bondar: it does support the point I am making about role play that should last over several sessions?
[2010-02-21 19:39:34] MistressBrazen Bondar: as opposed to spontaneous or casual role play?
[2010-02-21 19:39:51] MistressBrazen Bondar: story lines such as that need planning?
[2010-02-21 19:40:14] Joan Vhargon: But it does illustrate the title of this talk.?
[2010-02-21 19:40:21] Joan Vhargon: If I may??
[2010-02-21 19:40:27] MistressBrazen Bondar: that helps ensure , not eliminate, that the storyline stays in the general ballpark of hwat is trying to be achieved?
[2010-02-21 19:40:34] MistressBrazen Bondar: **?
[2010-02-21 19:40:41] Cursa Charisma: Joan??
[2010-02-21 19:40:53] Joan Vhargon: In the case of the trial. I asked the Propsecutor to called witnesses in a certain order. I was willing to decide the trial based on whoever made the best arguments. The Prosecutor read the transcripts and discovered a huge flaw in the whole process. The Judge of the trial was involved in the event and should have recused herself. He was unwilling to overlook that and was 100% correct in his refusal. It would have been Improbable, Implausible, and Impossible to continue. And he was right! ?
So Joan tried to find a way to end the trial and let the overall arc continue.?
[2010-02-21 19:41:15] Joan Vhargon: The player saw the flaw in the story and exploited it.?
[2010-02-21 19:41:35] Joan Vhargon: He took it to its plausable end?
[2010-02-21 19:41:35] Cursa Charisma: Yes, Joan, all of that was fine - but the releasing of the prisoners without prejudice was problematic?
[2010-02-21 19:41:48] Joan Vhargon: That is true.?
[2010-02-21 19:41:54] MistressBrazen Bondar sighs.. I am trying to get away from the specifics of the trial but here is a way the prosecutor could have been handled?
[2010-02-21 19:41:58] Cursa Charisma: Otherwise, there was no problem that I see?
[2010-02-21 19:42:08] Dierdre Maven is Online?
[2010-02-21 19:42:17] MistressBrazen Bondar: the judge could have held him in contempt, adjourned the trial until new cousel was found?
[2010-02-21 19:42:30] MistressBrazen Bondar: the point is... in answer to the question?
[2010-02-21 19:42:38] MistressBrazen Bondar: when unexpected things come up?
[2010-02-21 19:42:45] MistressBrazen Bondar: as they will in any role play?
[2010-02-21 19:42:45] Reiko Soyinka: But, he was correct...how could he be in contempt??
[2010-02-21 19:42:53] Reiko Soyinka: sorry...?
[2010-02-21 19:42:57] Reiko Soyinka: no answedr?
[2010-02-21 19:42:58] Cursa Charisma: Judge's say-so?
[2010-02-21 19:43:02] Reiko Soyinka: no answer?
[2010-02-21 19:43:02] MistressBrazen Bondar: excuse me Reiko?
[2010-02-21 19:43:03] Cursa Charisma winks?
[2010-02-21 19:43:18] MistressBrazen Bondar: if you want a legal analysis of the trial I can give that since none of you are lawyers?
[2010-02-21 19:43:20] MistressBrazen Bondar: however?
[2010-02-21 19:43:28] Cursa Charisma laughs?
[2010-02-21 19:43:28] MistressBrazen Bondar: that is not the point to the discussion?
[2010-02-21 19:43:33] Cursa Charisma: No, it's not?
[2010-02-21 19:43:39] MistressBrazen Bondar: the point is when trying to maintain storylines?
[2010-02-21 19:43:48] MistressBrazen Bondar: when the unexpected comes up?
[2010-02-21 19:43:50] Cursa Charisma: And Joan made a perfectly fine rp call to accept her character being caught?
[2010-02-21 19:44:01] Joan Vhargon: Thank you Cursa.?
[2010-02-21 19:44:27] MistressBrazen Bondar: no one has disputed that?
[2010-02-21 19:44:27] Cursa Charisma: Adjourning the trial and tossing the prisoners back in the cells and warning people they'd be booted if they tried any "rescue" crap would have covered it /me winks?
[2010-02-21 19:45:02] Cursa Charisma: Or inviting a motion to transfer the trial to Alliance jurisdiction?
[2010-02-21 19:45:24] MistressBrazen Bondar: ok..so depiste my best efforts this has degenerated into a rehash of the trial...?
[2010-02-21 19:45:27] Reiko Soyinka: /blink?
[2010-02-21 19:45:32] Joan Vhargon: Those are all excellent suggestions.?
[2010-02-21 19:45:34] MistressBrazen Bondar: so I 'm pretty well done.?
[2010-02-21 19:45:41] Cursa Charisma: This is where having a group of people with a shared understanding of the concept is so important?
[2010-02-21 19:45:50] Joan Vhargon: It is.?
[2010-02-21 19:45:53] Teetopwillie Neiro: The basic point, down to the chase, is that we RP'd, there is no perfection, the idea is to interact, and we did that,?
[2010-02-21 19:45:59] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 19:46:00] Talk on "Building Adventures" owned by Cursa Charisma gave you 'RP Nexus talk 091025 transcript 2 of 2' ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/Mul/64/223/1003 ).?
[2010-02-21 19:46:25] Cursa Charisma: The only value of a post mortem on the particular rp is to see if there are useful lessons for the future?
[2010-02-21 19:46:39] Reiko Soyinka: agree?
[2010-02-21 19:46:57] Joan Vhargon: post mortems on RP is vital to me?
[2010-02-21 19:47:08] Cursa Charisma: welcome, Neeko?
[2010-02-21 19:47:16] Joan Vhargon: It helps me learn, plan and improve.?
[2010-02-21 19:47:19] Cursa Charisma nods?
[2010-02-21 19:47:27] Cursa Charisma: Useful lessons?
[2010-02-21 19:47:29] Cursa Charisma winks?
[2010-02-21 19:47:30] Teetopwillie Neiro: nods, i don't disagree,?
[2010-02-21 19:47:48] Teetopwillie Neiro: but on post mortems can happen if we don't RP?
[2010-02-21 19:47:53] Teetopwillie Neiro: no?
[2010-02-21 19:48:29] Reiko Soyinka: Now, aside from muting, as I had to do today to Heihachi, how do you stop someone who is hell bent for leather on maintaining his...?
[2010-02-21 19:48:38] Reiko Soyinka: roleplay at the expense of yours.?
[2010-02-21 19:49:10] Mikie Rhiadra: that is about the ony way i knwo of?
[2010-02-21 19:49:16] Cursa Charisma: You have answered your question - you muted him?
[2010-02-21 19:50:06] Teetopwillie Neiro: (has muted Hei more than once)?
[2010-02-21 19:50:12] MistressBrazen Bondar: lol?
[2010-02-21 19:50:36] Joan Vhargon: I muted Hei and then the meeting was bearable.?
[2010-02-21 19:51:05] Tinus Koskinen is Online?
[2010-02-21 19:51:08] Indica Lemon is Online?
[2010-02-21 19:52:41] Joan Vhargon: did I crash??
[2010-02-21 19:52:44] Mikie Rhiadra: nope?
[2010-02-21 19:52:47] MistressBrazen Bondar: no?
[2010-02-21 19:52:50] Cursa Charisma: You look fine, Joan?
[2010-02-21 19:53:03] Joan Vhargon: Thanks. I was worried.?
[2010-02-21 19:53:34] Joan Vhargon: Where are we. Talk is over??
[2010-02-21 19:53:34] MistressBrazen Bondar: ok..well this seems a good moment to recap and bring the discussion to a close?
[2010-02-21 19:53:38] Cursa Charisma: So, for the benefit of Luke and Tabby in particular, yes?
[2010-02-21 19:53:40] Cursa Charisma: Please do?
[2010-02-21 19:54:16] MistressBrazen Bondar: The theme of the talk covered the two long term kind of role play...the one that takes place over weeks or months and the one that takes place over several sessions?
[2010-02-21 19:54:36] MistressBrazen Bondar: the suggestion was that for long term story telling to succeed?
[2010-02-21 19:55:00] MistressBrazen Bondar: the planners, authors, architects whatever you want to call them should tak eth etime to think through the?
[2010-02-21 19:55:30] MistressBrazen Bondar: story line and its subplots so that the story can have internal consistency as it evolves and yet still allow for spontaneity and fun?
[2010-02-21 19:55:37] MistressBrazen Bondar: thanks for lsitening?
[2010-02-21 19:55:45] Thaiis Thei: Thanks Brazen?
[2010-02-21 19:55:55] Joan Vhargon: Thank you Brazen.?
[2010-02-21 19:55:58] Cursa Charisma: Thank you very much, Brazen?
[2010-02-21 19:56:20] Teetopwillie Neiro: Thank you Brazen?
[2010-02-21 19:56:30] Cursa Charisma: We had good examples of the advantages and pitfalls of pre-planned and long-term rp lines?
[2010-02-21 19:57:13] CoolLuke Sands: Thank you?
[2010-02-21 19:57:24] Tabitha Diesel: thank you brazen?
[2010-02-21 19:57:27] Matthew Masingh is Online?
[2010-02-21 19:57:31] MistressBrazen Bondar: and Luke and Tabi please get the transcript?
[2010-02-21 19:57:37] Cursa Charisma: The value of having PvP (metered combat) as an option was also mentioned?
[2010-02-21 19:57:57] Cursa Charisma: And the importance of distinguishing that from text-based "ask permission in IM" rp?
[2010-02-21 19:58:52] Cursa Charisma: And I got the URL for the famous Leeroy Jenkins video clip?
[2010-02-21 19:59:11] Rupert Uriza is Offline?
[2010-02-21 19:59:13] Cursa Charisma: http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=LkCNJRfSZBU?
[2010-02-21 19:59:22] Cursa Charisma smiles broadly?
[2010-02-21 19:59:56] MistressBrazen Bondar: If anyone is interested I can put together some links for pieces on planning role play?
[2010-02-21 20:00:05] Cursa Charisma: Yes, please, Brazen?
[2010-02-21 20:00:12] MistressBrazen Bondar: ok will do?
[2010-02-21 20:00:16] Joan Vhargon: That would be very helpful.?
[2010-02-21 20:00:19] Cursa Charisma: We can give them out here on a notecard with the transcript?
[2010-02-21 20:00:20] Teetopwillie Neiro: I would take them Miss Bondar?
[2010-02-21 20:00:31] MistressBrazen Bondar looks at Tee and smiles?
[2010-02-21 20:00:41] Cursa Charisma rolls his eyes?
[2010-02-21 20:00:46] MistressBrazen Bondar: hehehe?
[2010-02-21 20:00:58] MistressBrazen Bondar: cut that out of the transcript?
[2010-02-21 20:01:02] Mikie Rhiadra smiles?
[2010-02-21 20:01:02] Persephone Rhode is Offline?
[2010-02-21 20:01:04] Cursa Charisma laughs?
[2010-02-21 20:01:19] MistressBrazen Bondar: dont want anyone to think Ive gone soft and daft?
[2010-02-21 20:01:19] Cursa Charisma: Let the record show...?
[2010-02-21 20:01:25] MistressBrazen Bondar: lol?
[2010-02-21 20:02:07] Teetopwillie Neiro: tee wigggles his feathers in a suductively Animal Farmish way?
[2010-02-21 20:02:14] Cursa Charisma: Luke, Tabby, if you have any questions you'd like to ask...??
[2010-02-21 20:02:31] Cursa Charisma: No, Tee, nobody's going to pluck your cock here?
[2010-02-21 20:02:43] MistressBrazen Bondar: OMG!?
[2010-02-21 20:02:46] MistressBrazen Bondar: Cursa?
[2010-02-21 20:02:52] MistressBrazen Bondar: lol?
[2010-02-21 20:03:01] Cursa Charisma bats his eyes innocently?
[2010-02-21 20:03:03] Cursa Charisma: What??
[2010-02-21 20:03:08] Joan Vhargon: That may be my signal to go.?
[2010-02-21 20:03:22] Cursa Charisma: Joan, everyone, thank you for attending and participating?
[2010-02-21 20:03:28] MistressBrazen Bondar: heehe?
[2010-02-21 20:03:35] Cursa Charisma: Next week, we are looking forward to a talk by Varahi Lusch?
[2010-02-21 20:03:41] Cursa Charisma: Probably at an earlier hour?
[2010-02-21 20:03:46] Thaiis Thei: oh dear?
[2010-02-21 20:03:53] Cursa Charisma: She's in Blighty?
[2010-02-21 20:04:09] Cursa Charisma: But her tutorials are among the most impressive things I've seen in SL?
[2010-02-21 20:04:16] Cursa Charisma: So if you can make it, please do so?
[2010-02-21 20:04:24] Cursa Charisma: And if not, there will be transcripts?
[2010-02-21 20:04:30] MistressBrazen Bondar: topic??
[2010-02-21 20:04:51] Cursa Charisma: Also, anyone who has topics or speakers whom you'd like to see here, please let me know?
[2010-02-21 20:04:59] Cursa Charisma: She's going to talk about her tutorials?
[2010-02-21 20:05:11] MistressBrazen Bondar: oh ok?
[2010-02-21 20:05:19] CoolLuke Sands: Sorry was watching the Leroy video?
[2010-02-21 20:05:23] Tabitha Diesel: and yes i could use a copy of the transcripts?
[2010-02-21 20:05:24] Cursa Charisma laughs?
[2010-02-21 20:05:24] CoolLuke Sands: I have no questions?
[2010-02-21 20:05:29] Tabitha Diesel: and the leroy thing was hilarious?
[2010-02-21 20:05:41] Cursa Charisma: OK, today's transcript will be edited up and posted here within 24 hours?
[2010-02-21 20:05:43] CoolLuke Sands: Ive played with Leroys before in City of Heroes?
[2010-02-21 20:05:46] Tabitha Diesel: makes me remember the idiots i took on dungeon crawla couple times?
[2010-02-21 20:05:49] Cursa Charisma: I can send you a notecard direct when it's ready?
[2010-02-21 20:06:00] Tabitha Diesel: kk ty?
[2010-02-21 20:06:15] Cursa Charisma: Yes, Leeroy Jenkins is now a well-known metaphor replacing Robert Burns?
[2010-02-21 20:06:28] CoolLuke Sands: Thanks Cursa...sure?
[2010-02-21 20:06:28] CoolLuke Sands: :)?
[2010-02-21 20:06:33] Cursa Charisma: Lost Mikie?
[2010-02-21 20:06:40] Tabitha Diesel: lol I'm sure miklie ...who just went offline could tell a few tales too?
[2010-02-21 20:06:46] Thaiis Thei: ok I;m off?
[2010-02-21 20:06:48] Cursa Charisma smiles broadly?
[2010-02-21 20:06:54] MistressBrazen Bondar: thank you Taiis?
[2010-02-21 20:07:00] Cursa Charisma: Alright, Thaiis, thank you for participating?
[2010-02-21 20:07:02] MistressBrazen Bondar: Thaiis?
[2010-02-21 20:07:03] Thaiis Thei: bye all
(transcript ends)
